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Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:49:00 -
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They're banking on this idea making drone assist fleets far less popular (hint: it's going to work, at least for subcaps), which would lead to less drones on the field naturally.
Of course, it may not work. That's the whole thing with iteration though - small step, if it works? great. If not? take another small step, repeat until the problem is either gone or small enough. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1451
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:09:00 -
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Zwo Zateki wrote:And there's still no valid rationale for these changes from highsec POV. Again, we don't care how your big alliance bosses amass isk for RMT.
And they care even less about how you make your isk. See how stupid that train of thought is? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:15:00 -
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Zwo Zateki wrote:Except incursions is the only kind of highsec PvE that doesn't make you sick in the long term.
And that has what to do with anything?
(btw I ran incursions. You're dead wrong, they suck just as bad as any other PvE with the added bonus of having to listen to nerds talk the whole time) "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1451
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:12:00 -
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ale rico wrote:So basically what everyone complaining here has admitted to is...
"our members are mentally ******** and can't follow broadcasted targets"
It's more like "oh no now our members actually have to follow the broadcasts themselves" with a touch of "oh god lock time is a thing now!". Apparently the enemies of the CFC are so goddamned incompetent that these two things are their only chance at success vOv "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1452
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:31:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Ignore what Rise said about "not affecting incursioners" for a moment. Can someone explain to me why incursion runners think they're entitled be exempted having to adapt to change?
Rise seemed to agree, why else would he even single out the incursion community in his post? Oh right, we have to ignore that for this little "lol highsec" circlejerk exercise. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:20:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:What is the issue anyway? I fail to see why you would even feel it is a needed change. What is stopping everyone from putting drones on focus fire and then pressing F1 all at once.
Let 'em. 200 people having to do a thing in concert has actual room for error, and reintroduces little niggling things like lock times for carriers. If it keeps happening, then it's on CCP to either decide it's part of the game so vOv or make another change.
Also if it keeps happening it means drone assist isn't even a problem so why the hell should anyone not running incursions care about drone assist being capped?
Grath Telkin wrote:Because changing something being used in a fight after one of the two sides cried for months to get it changed cant be seen as anything but preferential bias.
So would CCP thinking drone assist fleets are a-ok and in no need of change be preferential bias to your side? Because I mean that'd be pretty ******* stupid. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:48:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:If what keeps happening? What is the actual issue with the assist mechanic?
CCP is betting that the assist mechanic is the driving reason behind drones-first based fleets. This is their attempt to rectify this. You may or may not agree with the assumption that assist is the driving reason behind said fleets, and that's fine. Feel free to articulate reasons why you don't, but do everyone a favour and drop the intentionally obtuse "BUT WHAT DOES THIS ~MEAN~" bit. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:50:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Exactly, so you announce the change, but slate it for the spring release so theres TONS of time for feedback and adjustment and time for the people on both sides of the war to adjust so that there can't be any possible claim of biased..
So what if the war goes on 3 months? 6 months? How long does CCP have to wait to make a change they feel will improve the game (right or wrong as they may be)? Is the answer to this question "long enough for my side to max out what we can do with this"? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:35:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:His "fix" doesn't actually fix anything. All it does is change the amount of people making drones attack from 1 to 5 per fleet. All his fix does is just add really unneeded additional fleet setup. It doesn't fix a damn thing. Ultimately on the large scale it makes Drone boats just irritating to use in a setup sense.
Which is of course making the assumption that everyone is just going to keep on trucking with their sentry assign fleets with 5 drone assign targets instead of 1 (10 instead of 1 for a slowcat fleet). Spoiler alert: CCP Rise and co. are betting that won't happen. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 07:44:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Do you understand that nearly every single ship in this game has a drone bay. That every large fleet ship has a drone bay. Are you saying that nobody is ever going to carry drones again because CCP Rise made a fleet assign to 5 people instead of 1. Even if CCP Rise removed Drone Assign are you telling me that no one is ever going to use drones again. Ever.
Of course drone usage won't end. It'll likely return to more acceptable (server-strain wise) levels. You know, before drone assist sentry fleets became all the rage. That's what they're betting, anyway.
BTW if you think that drone assist wasn't one of the biggest reasons said fleets were popular then looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 08:24:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Yea, im sure its got nothing to do with A) CFC ordering its pilots to use drone assign so much that CCP has no choice but to fix it
If it actually took some level of skill and input to use it, do you think the CFC (or any large entity for that matter) would have able to pull off any success with it? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1453
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Posted - 2014.02.09 08:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:drone assist hasn't been changed. so which change is it you were referring to?
Oh look he's going to play the "ITS NOT TECHNICALLY DRONE ASSIST IT'S THE CAP ON HOW MUCH ONE PERSON CAN GET THAT'S CHANGED DUMBY" game. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1454
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:blaming drone assist for drone proliferation is still laughable, though..
CCP doesn't agree with you. Maybe try convincing them? Or don't w/e this thread is **** anyway. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm honestly not that bothered about them removing drone assist or not; i've made that clear on many occasions. however trying to attribute the mass use of drones to a 10 year old mechanic that hasn't been changed rather than to the buff that drone ships have received is amusing.
It's both, sort of a perfect storm thing. Drone ships get buffed, sentries become a doable thing, drone assist pushes it into the stratosphere by doing 2 things: allowing carriers to use them and avoid any traditional downsides they would have (lock time etc), and making it simple enough so that even the dumbest fleet of mouthbreathers can make very good use of it.
CCP's decided that altering assist is the best way of tackling the problem, at least for now (and in the case of carriers, it's p. much the right move). Whether it's right or wrong or enough, time will tell I guess? I'm sure some sentry concepts will still eat **** alive, but whether or not they'll be workable enough for a pile of idiots to turn into a critical mass problem is something else entirely. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:10:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:One side said they were setting out to break it, the other side didn't, hope that helps
How did they break it? Serious question, I know they said they would set out to show how broken it is blah blah blah, but what did they actually do aside from use it? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:21:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:There was nothing actually broken by what they did. Which is why CCP changing anything isn't needed. er.
Not asking you, asking Grath, who seems to have a legit problem with the CFC's actions in this. I already know your "NOTHING WILL CHANGE BUT I'M STILL SUPER ANGRY ABOUT THIS" spiel and it's every bit as boring/wrong today as it was yesterday and the day before. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1456
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:36:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul.
ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.11 08:39:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Thats not what happened but nice revisionist try there. If only it wasn't in print on that damned web site
What did happen, Grath? After that post on the website you referred to. What did the CFC do that's got you so rustled? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Snow Axe
Atwater Capital
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:25:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:N3/PL will still use large fleets that use drones .
Maybe let's wait and see on that. I think, subcap wise at least, you're being a touch presumptuous. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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